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[Historylover]

I was hoping to find some purpose in my music learning, @Appleblossom, but mistakes and trying to find that purpose when disruptive thoughts intrude makes it difficult. I am consoling myself with liquorice and dark peppermint chocolate.

It is difficult trying to have constructive, personal experience discussions when only one side of an argument is permitted. All sides are affected, not just one. Makes for shallow discussions, I think. It's not as if there is only one point of view out there. Discussion and consideration of all points of view are what makes the world go around.

[Appleblossom]

Disruptive thoughts ... @Historylover 

Here is a John Dowland song ... on the theme ...

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=Unquiet+Thoughts&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#fpsta... 

Stunning voice, but dont let that put you off ... I cant sound like that .... she can be she ... and ye can be ye... and me can be me.

The time and money and training resources in classical musicianship is usually massive ... and there is no need for excellence ... to the yardstick by which we measure ourselves.  Allow the enjoyment of excellence to be on one plain ... and respect for your own efforts on another plain ... Fair is fair.  Let your own dopamine flow with whatever you are learning ...

Yes agreeing with you about limitations in conversation ... keeping things shallow.  I have gently nudged the bubble as much as I can to 'keep things real'.  

[Historylover]

@Appleblossom, the only time I have spoken to an outsider about my brother, other than with my ex-psy, was at U3A. I thought I was discussing a subject among adults in a science class. I left soon after as it had set off a wildfire of gossip. I don't engage in gossip, so I was unarmed. 

I love the gentility of Dowland. I remember long ago that Sting sang some of his music. It was rather a shock, especially as his voice is so raspy. 

It almost seems that we need a facility to have a dark page as they often have on videos, or a separate thread, for such 'other' matters, with a TW message of 'Reader Discretion Advised', talk of X, Y or Z, where you have to accept to open the page. I found discussing my brother with someone with similar experiences cathartic. Why should our needs not be met too? I don't discuss it with others as I hurt on my brother's behalf, and it is too serious, so it has just been a pain I have borne alone. Sharing it helped carry the load. Isn't there a saying something like a problem shared is a problem halved?  Or, in some instances, gossiped about. 😕

I'm slowing my music down. I threw myself into it thinking I had found a way to prolong my life a while, so I grabbed it with both hands. I'm just dabbling now and making better sense of it. My memory is such a problem. I have never had to remember bass clef notes before and it is doing my head in. Mnemonics isn't helping because I then also have to remember the mnemonics. I'll get there, perhaps. 

[Appleblossom]

@Historylover 

You said "Why should our needs not be met too? I"

Exactly.

I hope my emails explaining to sane were accepted in good faith.

That is a good idea re ... Reader Discretion.  The trigger warning TW ... is 

No, neither of us are interested in the gossipy scandalous aspect cos we care about the people, and are personally impacted.

I have not had many avenues for open discussion about it and really valued our conversation.

Mostly people are strongly for or against. It is silly how divided and polarised our society has become.  I think it is exacerbated by lack of open discussion. My home was closed to discussion. Then uni, was loud, aggressive and opinionated discussion at the caf, or could be a bit arrogant in the tutes ... always wanted people to talk to about things ... finally getting some ... here, online and in real life ... but gee ... I am in my 60s... thats a long time to wait.

Today I had 3 ladies over and we talked about singing, culture and food etc It was good.  Getting at deeper realities. It was good and they valued it. I am very nervous about having people over .... its been a couple years since students and all that.  Anyway I cleaned up and son was grateful, which is a win/win/win.

The problem shared ...halved ... saying ... only really works if it is shared with respect ... not minimised, dismissed or made into hype or gossip. We also spoke about gossip today, sussing each other out.

Glad you liked the Dowland.  It is a refined taste, but I find it preferable and quite a surpirse.  My mother was a bit biased and did not think there was any good English music ... hmmm ... so I was surprised to fall in love with singing in English .. Purcell .. in my 50s.  The alto line ... subtle and in the midst of the harmony. Up til then the English words had not aligned with my sense of feeling ... Jazz and pop seemed to sassy and sex obsessed to appeal to me ... not snobby ... just did not gell with the other as meaningful... though I like the music to dance to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVaOKC60GAU 

Its natural to have an initial rush of enthusiasm for a new hobby, and then a lull.

Reading as lines and spaces can help .... up a space, down a space ... or line ... Ist line

bottom line ... is often more visually intuitive than the old ...

A Cow Eats Grass ... for Bass spaces

It can be about ... 5 fingers ...  LH 5 on c .... 1 on G ... for a C chord ... til you need to change postions ... but good to use the book ... which will introduce hand positions ... it is also fine motor co-ordination ... so lighten jup on mistakes ... yes.. we all have memory lapses ... just be patient ...use it or lose it ...being afraid of losing it does not help ... so I am learning to laugh more.

I laughed with these ladies today and apologised as my accent weirdly got more broad Aussie as I find my inner clown.

GENTLY BENTLY

Love Apple

[StanD]

  

I only stopped by to impress with my creative efforts. I read this most recent page between you @Historylover & @Appleblossom . Interesting, warm, full of depth, real conversion. It's good to be back.

My one true happiness recently is Church. Oh my Gawd - the confusion. The Bible. The miracles, opinions, interpretations. I won't even begin to discuss. 

One lady, disclosed personal tragedy to me. I was surprised. I felt unsure how to react. I couldn't understand why she would confide in me. Of course, I felt deep sense of awe, or respect that I was honoured in this way. Trusted, or maybe she believed, or saw spark in me that said I was safe, or could offer comfort. 

There is no comfort for certain things.

Later on, I think I suddenly understood why she told me this personal story, even tho I am basically still a stranger. 

It was the pain seeping out of her. 

I think, when a horrible unthinkable thing happens, it can definately be too much for one person to have capacity to begin accept or understanding. 

I think, maybe, in sharing - another person also, now becomes part of the story. 

I had a different concept of the 'problem shared, problem halved.' 

Yes, @Historylover , I have contacted SANE team previously. I'm not sure about the phrase 'trigger' I understand, I need to think about it further.

Unfortunately, SANE's response was that such a thread would be too difficult to moderate. I can completely understand this.

Perhaps it could be discussed further? Perhaps only members who have been on SANE for eg 1 year or more could access a password protected area? 

My silly brainstorms.

I'm going thru a phase of saying almost anything these days. Think it tends to happen when all you see around you a huge crock of  ..... nonsense, injustice Yada Yada Yada ...yoda 

"There is no try - there is only can or cannot" 

I might have messed up the quote.

Communication is everything. It's what keeps us SANE, connected, human. Without this site, .....

But yes, it stings & is counterproductive to the intent. We must accept 'guidelines' if we want to connect, share openly.

Communication about ALL things is paramount to mental health. Censorship, keeps us IN SANE! Hmmm 🧐 conspiracy theories in my mind now!

Mature, intelligent, adults being able to discuss in safe place, 'gently bently' moderated. What is the harm? 

VS -

What is the benefit? 😊

I will make my way back ... One day..I hope .. This is one hell of a 🤬 mountain xx 

@TAB 💙🙏🤷‍♀️🤞

LOVE 

[TAB]

..there is a thread on site format now started by @BlueBay  @StanD  (roomie)

best wishes with your Pilgrimage  .. 

Here is a Pilgrim for you ..

https://youtu.be/aVX-voqWuwY?si=usO8e5O47-X1SckH

lol

[Historylover]

Just plodding along with it, @Appleblossom. I found a really cute mnemonic for the lines on the bass clef: jibbedyfa. It can become an earworm it's so cute. Jibbedyfa, jibbedyfa. It stands for g b d f a, but when I get to the lines, I go good boys deserve fruit always (I'm an ex-Queenslander—we're different), so not even mnemonics work for me. I won't be buying a keyboard stand until I decide whether or not to continue. It would be good to have my ironing board back.

Yes, re problem shared, problem halved—of course it must be in a respectful environment. It has been in my not-to-be-spoken of basket since the '90s, except for that one unfortunate incident from which I learnt much. This time was in an mutually sharing situation. It was good for my soul.

Purcell. Nice. I hate jazz.  And shopping centre music can be so grating 😖. Then there's the shops like Country Road that bombards us with fragrance. I do not like to be lulled into 'wonderment' by tantalising fragrance so that I prolong the experience, although classic music would be fine, of course.

I've just had a shingles vaccine. It was free, like Covid, but I wondered why he was asking me about everything else. I was conned into thinking he was good for a while, then I realized that he was prolonging the consultation. My free consultation cost me $68.10. I'm still angry at this underhandedness. I won't go back. I have two clinics. This one is not bulk billed but convenient; the other is free but a train and bus ride away. (or 5 minutes or so by car). I usually go there even though I don't particularly gel with the doctors. 

Well, I must go and do something on my keyboard for a while. Have a good day. 😎 19 degrees here today. Mmm Mmm. 🌞

[Appleblossom]

Great to see you @StanD Was wondering how you were.  Love that flashing meme.

Its great you are busy and not minding church.  After being alone for a while... there are a lot of people ...  Great having you and all your vivaciousness back!

Yes it was probably all those things that allowed the woman to share her tragedy with you.  Your warmth and listening and her need.  Maybe with church, some people feel the need to be honest but then others seem to feel the need to pretend.  idk???  Its people who are a messed up bunch, cos life is hard.  I dont do the miracles thing. I had too much of that as a kid, and be polite but non committal.  I translate it into ... we all need ...HOPE in difficult times.

Yes Sane... is a forum keeping us together ... and communicating.... is what humans are good at ... and NEED... and need to practise doing ... 

@Historylover well we got a right large range of music tastes with TABzie, you and I!  The great thing is that we can choose not to listen to music if we do not want. 

Making a big pot of soup today.  

Hey @TAB @Former-Member @scruffypuffball 

[Appleblossom]

@Historylover love that mneumonic!

Never heard someone want their ironing board back!

I still have one, but it rarely gets used these days.  Something about the fabrics .... it has just crept up on me how much plastic is now in all the clothes they sell.

I am against doctors who do not bulk bill.  To trick you into longer consult and pretend it was free! So wrong.  The old concept of a necessary evil, is how I am beginning to view them these days, but I was pleasantly surprised at the doctor who quietly sang as he took my blood pressure.  That was a beautiful touch.  

[Historylover]

I've given up on anything to do with a god, @StanD, but I have no problem with others' beliefs. 

Yes, @Appleblossom and I had a good conversation, and both found a much-needed relief valve outlet. It's nice to have serious conversations sometimes. Life isn't all fun and games, and we're only pretending if that's how we always present. Intelligent conversations are good for the soul. My brainstorming did overtime trying to find a way around the problem so that all sides are accommodated, too. Inventive lot, aren't we?

"Communication about ALL things is paramount to mental health. Censorship, keeps us IN SANE!" I agree. "Hmmm 🧐 conspiracy theories in my mind now!"   

Have a good day, @StanD. I've been out in the sunshine, and it was delightful.